“... there’s a mindset
of, 'I don’t want to know this.'”
Now that her show, Endangered, is over in North Bay (where, incidentally, I’m moving next month), Kingston artist Lise Melhorn-Boe was free to chat about her work.
Now that her show, Endangered, is over in North Bay (where, incidentally, I’m moving next month), Kingston artist Lise Melhorn-Boe was free to chat about her work.
HS-Your show
at the W. K. P. Kennedy Gallery focuses on intense subject matter, like the
recent increase in deformed penises in babies attributed to chemical exposure
and the positive correlation between homelessness and multiple chemical
sensitivities. I swear my eyes started stinging right after reading your Toxic Face Book, which describes the
toxins found in common cosmetics. What kinds of reactions have you received in
relation to this body of work?
LMB- I have had a lot of positive feedback. Even people who thought they
knew a great deal about our environment told me they had learned something.
However, many people do think it’s depressing. I thought I was presenting the
material in a lighthearted enough way that it would take the edge off the
negativity. People are very interested but they’re not gaga over it like they
have been for some of my other work, especially my work about women’s lives
where they could really relate and wanted to share their own stories with me.
With this body of work, there’s a mindset
of, “I don’t want to know this.” Some of the information is very scary. It’s
maybe easier just not to know, so you don’t have to worry about it and you
don’t have to make choices, but art (or some art) is about making people think
and that’s what I’ve always tried to do.
HS- In your
artist books, it often feels like you could keep turning the pages forever to
read more and more dire statistics about the environment. Gypsy Moth was such a lovely read because the woman who almost died
after being dosed with pesticide designed to kill gypsy moth caterpillars gets
better at the end. How do you strike a balance between presenting dark subject
matter and giving people hope that they can change their ways and make a
difference?
LMB- As I said, I was coming at it [the subject matter] from a
lighthearted angle. (Laughs). It’s an interesting question and hope is
important. Because I was so overwhelmed by negative information, I wasn’t
feeling hopeful myself so it was hard to put that in the work. To be honest, sometimes
I am glad I am getting old. I’d be really depressed and angry if I were in my
twenties, knowing what is ahead of us. At this point in my life, I’m more
resigned and cynical.
HS-In terms
of making a difference, you don’t just walk the walk. Not only do you make art
about garbage, but you refuse to use plastic bags to line your own garbage can,
you pick up litter if it can be recycled, and I remember at White Water
Gallery, you would save up styrofoam that couldn’t be recycled locally so you
could recycle it when you went “down south” as the people of North Bay say.
Have you always been so environmentally conscious?
LMB- I made my first environmental project for a Man and Society class
in high school when I was seventeen, I think. (What a sexist name! They later
changed it to Society, Challenge and Change). It was a collaged book on
pollution. So yes, I’ve always been concerned about the environment and
involved in environmental groups. This is a timely question because it struck
me today that I’ve been riding a bicycle for 50 years.
HS- Today’s
protests in Ottawa by scientists angry about the federal government’s cuts to
funding for environmental protection underscore the precarious state of the
environment. If you could have the attention of Prime Minister Stephen Harper,
what would you say to him?
LMB- There’s a term, “precautionary principle,” which posits that it’s
better to be safe than sorry. At the moment, anyone can come up with a product
and market it and later say, “Oops, that was dangerous.” As a nation, we should
think strongly about what materials we’re introducing into our lives rather
than trying to mop up disasters in retrospect... and I’d tell him to forget
about the tar sands and to come up with a different plan.
HS- Text is
very prominent in your work. Which tends to come first: text or image?
LMB- In the past I would have said the text, definitely. When I was
working with women’s stories, the story birthed the form of the piece. I
interviewed women and used questionnaires, but for this body of work, the
responses I got from people were very negative and they weren’t good stories.
People were overwhelmed by their health issues and I was not inspired visually
by their stories. A story has to have a visual component to transform it into a
visual piece. I ended up doing more research in the library than usual, so a
lot of the text is factual as opposed to narrative. Maybe that’s why Gypsy Moth stands out. It has a
beginning, middle and end, and she [the subject] told it well. Pain started with the text, and in Happy Memories, those are all stories
from actual people.
Garbage [in which
she collected garbage for seven weeks—save for organic waste—and displayed one
week’s worth in each of the seven copies in the edition, each stored in a tiny,
adorable garbage can] started with the heavy duty plastic mesh bags which came
from the only organic produce that was available to me in North Bay. I thought
it was so incongruous. Since the store refused to take them back, I decided I
had to do something with them.
With this whole body of work, I was thinking of the environment as a
topic, so I was more aware than usual about my materials. I recycled materials
and I recycled ideas. Toxic Face Book
uses a leftover cast of a face from a feminist piece called Colour Me Dutiful that was too thin to
use at the time. What's For Dinner?
uses a similar format to two earlier books—I have often made work about food.
And I've used clothing a lot too, in the past, so the baby clothes in Endangered Species and the paper doll
clothes in Toxic Kids fit right into
my oeuvre. Endangered Species uses
PVC connectors I found while trying to find a sturdy way to construct a large
tunnel book in the shape of an ice hut for Ice
Follies, an art installation festival in North Bay where artists use ice
huts on the lake for installations. I was initially planning a piece about the
projection that Lake Nipissing [in North Bay] wouldn’t have ice in twenty
years, which would be about sixteen years from now. Then the idea morphed
because PVC is a really toxic material to create and it seemed perfect to talk
about the effect of toxins on babies.
HS-You have
an inventive approach to materials, like using a transparent overlay of fabric
to represent cheese on a pizza in the book, What’s
for Dinner? Do you have fun coming up with these visuals?
LMB- Oh, I have a lot of fun! For me, because it was so much fun making
this work that it overshadowed the negative content, I was taken aback when
people focused on the negative content over the visual presentation.
HS- You’ve
made pop-up books for a long time before your work took an environmental turn.
Do you find this format has a different resonance with this subject matter?
LMB- I’ve always used it for its playful character so it was deliberate
to pair some of these painful topics with this format to affect the tone.
Pop-ups are fun; I teach them to kids in classrooms. I was trying to add an
element of playfulness [with pop-ups in this body of work].
HS- What’s it
like to make explicitly personal work like Body
Map, where you show the interplay between health problems and the
environment, with text overlaying a
fairly sizeable photograph of your naked body?
LMB- Just recently, a woman I know who has had breast cancer told me I
was very brave and I was surprised because I’d never really thought of it that
way. I came up with the idea for Body Map
when I did a residency at Queen’s University. I thought about approaching a
student photographer but I chose to ask my husband to take the photos even
though he’s not a photographer. I’ve been to nudist colonies but I wasn’t
comfortable stripping in front of just anyone. Maybe there’s something
different about being photographed than walking on the beach. I think I might
have been hesitant to do something like that before I had cancer but having had
a mastectomy, I don’t feel quite as sexual as I once did, so it’s less
revealing personally. Besides, once the image is out there, I’m separated from
it.
No Safe
Levels also shows my naked body but I took artistic license with it. It’s a
pop-up and technically, I needed the right breast to pop up because it was on
the fold. That’s actually the one that was cut off, but I just switched them.
It’s much more abstract [than Body Map]
and not everyone realizes it’s my body.
HS- Can you
comment on one of the final images in Breast
Cancer Journal in which a figure floats through the sky, separated from but
seemingly drawn to, the earth?
LMB- It was the result of a meditation, something that came to me in a
vision. I think it’s me but why I’m floating out there I can’t remember. (Turns
the page). This one I had a vision of in a winter solstice ceremony. I saw my
breasts on fire. (Turns the page). And this is me holding up my child self and
coming back up to the light. (Turns the page). I’m holding myself and mothering
myself. It [making this journal] was all very positive. I debated about using
text in this piece but I decided I liked the mystery. It wasn’t actually
intended to be an art piece. A few people I showed the images to found them
powerful, so I thought, “Why not?” In a way, this is more revealing [than works
like Body Map]: this is my naked
psyche or naked soul rather than my naked body.
HS- Your
earlier work was very feminist. Is the relationship between our health and the
environment a feminist issue in your opinion?
LMB- It pertains to everyone but because women have more body fat than
men and toxins reside in body fat, in that sense, these toxins affect women
more, so that makes it a feminist issue. Also, women carry the next generation
and they say the best way to detox is to breastfeed, but that means passing the
toxins on to your baby. It was something I worried about when I breastfed.
(Looks at her son who coincidentally appeared in the stairwell at this moment).
For those reasons, it’s a really important issue for women.
HS- Lastly,
are there other environmental artists you admire?
LMB- This is going back a long time, but I was always very moved by Ana
Mendieta’s work. The way she put her body in the environment—there was such a
strong connection between her and the earth. I suppose that’s essentialist,
stressing the connection between women and the earth, and it annoys some
people, but if I had to choose a camp, that’s the one I’d fall into.
For images, see Transformer Press
This interview
took place on July 11, 2012 at Lise’s home.
This is great!
ReplyDeleteIt was amazing to have tea with the two of you tonight. I wish I had read this interview before we had our visit - it would have led the conversation onto an entirely different path.
I need to go back now and re-read this more closely. I am so excited to be able to comment here and to have met you Heather.
Hi Judy,
ReplyDeleteYes, it was fortuitous bumping into you with Lise! I enjoyed checking out Judy's Journal. Hopefully our paths will cross again now that we'll be in closer proximity.
Cheers,
Heather